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]]> By: Erik http://bostonlocalvores.org/archives/1767/comment-page-1#comment-135979 Erik Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:35:07 +0000 http://bostonlocalvores.org/?p=1767#comment-135979 Joe- The naturally "raised" chickens were roaming freely throughout the neighborhood where I was staying. Though they were clearly being fed by their "owners", I'm pretty sure no one was controlling their reproduction. The unnaturally raised chickens, roosters mainly, were kept in small cages and bred for cock fighting. The latter were _not_ happy birds. The former, assuming they made it past chick-hood (i.e. didn't get eaten by feral cats), seemed pretty satisfied. Joe-
The naturally “raised” chickens were roaming freely throughout the neighborhood where I was staying. Though they were clearly being fed by their “owners”, I’m pretty sure no one was controlling their reproduction. The unnaturally raised chickens, roosters mainly, were kept in small cages and bred for cock fighting. The latter were _not_ happy birds. The former, assuming they made it past chick-hood (i.e. didn’t get eaten by feral cats), seemed pretty satisfied.

]]> By: Friday Green Links – 3/12 « Pragmatic Environmentalism http://bostonlocalvores.org/archives/1767/comment-page-1#comment-135847 Friday Green Links – 3/12 « Pragmatic Environmentalism Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:03:11 +0000 http://bostonlocalvores.org/?p=1767#comment-135847 [...] The Poultry Problem – Boston Locavores. In case you didn’t catch this link in the comments to my Eating Animals post… Did you know most poultry nowadays are bred to be so ungainly that they can’t even reproduce? (Thanks, Danielle.) [...] [...] The Poultry Problem – Boston Locavores. In case you didn’t catch this link in the comments to my Eating Animals post… Did you know most poultry nowadays are bred to be so ungainly that they can’t even reproduce? (Thanks, Danielle.) [...]

]]> By: Joe http://bostonlocalvores.org/archives/1767/comment-page-1#comment-135809 Joe Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:02:37 +0000 http://bostonlocalvores.org/?p=1767#comment-135809 I realized I meant to reference "Omnivores Dilemma" instead of "Botany of Desire." Erik, I'm not sure how you're differentiating between naturally and unnaturally hatched/raised chickens, what do you mean by that? As a side, I did not mean that heritage breeds are the only breeds capable of reproduction, simply that it was an assurance of that capability. Raising chickens as a monoculture isn't quite the same as raising corn as a monoculture. People have simply selectively bred the hell out of them. That said, the reason that corn relies on humans to reproduce is again, not necessarily due to moncoculture. I am in no way defending monocultures, this just isn't one of their evils. I work on a farm that raises chickens among other things. I realized I meant to reference “Omnivores Dilemma” instead of “Botany of Desire.”

Erik, I’m not sure how you’re differentiating between naturally and unnaturally hatched/raised chickens, what do you mean by that? As a side, I did not mean that heritage breeds are the only breeds capable of reproduction, simply that it was an assurance of that capability.

Raising chickens as a monoculture isn’t quite the same as raising corn as a monoculture. People have simply selectively bred the hell out of them. That said, the reason that corn relies on humans to reproduce is again, not necessarily due to moncoculture. I am in no way defending monocultures, this just isn’t one of their evils.

I work on a farm that raises chickens among other things.

]]> By: Erik http://bostonlocalvores.org/archives/1767/comment-page-1#comment-135808 Erik Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:30:33 +0000 http://bostonlocalvores.org/?p=1767#comment-135808 On a recent trip to a tropical island, I witnessed a massive amount of naturally AND unnaturally hatched chickens. I'm pretty sure they weren't heritage breeds, just your garden variety birds. The naturally "raised" birds were clearly still having sex. On a recent trip to a tropical island, I witnessed a massive amount of naturally AND unnaturally hatched chickens. I’m pretty sure they weren’t heritage breeds, just your garden variety birds. The naturally “raised” birds were clearly still having sex.

]]> By: DonnaB http://bostonlocalvores.org/archives/1767/comment-page-1#comment-135807 DonnaB Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:20:59 +0000 http://bostonlocalvores.org/?p=1767#comment-135807 Just one point of clarification: heritage turkeys can mate naturally, so this is one reason to buy heritage breed turkeys. Although most people don't think about it, I feel that mating is one of the natural behaviors that animals should be allowed to express, in addition to being able to move about, forage, and socialize. Natural mating vs. insemination is one of the questions you should be asking your local farmers. Small farmers are probably less likely to inseminate, but you make a good point that people don't tend to ask what's going on at the hatchery. Unlike heritage breeds, commercial turkey breeds have to be inseminated due to their freakishly large breasts. I'm sure you've read the PETA writeup about the working life of turkey inseminators. http://www.goveg.com/f-artificialturkeys.asp . Chickens can mate but are they allowed to? At my place, yes, at the hatchery, ? Most dairy cows are also not allowed to mate, but rather are artificially inseminated from purchased genetics, since it is difficult to keep a bull. A large portion of the dairy cows in the US come from the same fathers, decreasing genetic diversity and security in the food supply. The book 'Portrait of the burger as a young calf' goes into alot of detail on this practice in the dairy industry. This is one of the reasons I preferentially buy from farms like Misty Brook, who keep their own boar for breeding the pigs and a bull for their dairy herd. Just one point of clarification: heritage turkeys can mate naturally, so this is one reason to buy heritage breed turkeys. Although most people don’t think about it, I feel that mating is one of the natural behaviors that animals should be allowed to express, in addition to being able to move about, forage, and socialize. Natural mating vs. insemination is one of the questions you should be asking your local farmers. Small farmers are probably less likely to inseminate, but you make a good point that people don’t tend to ask what’s going on at the hatchery. Unlike heritage breeds, commercial turkey breeds have to be inseminated due to their freakishly large breasts. I’m sure you’ve read the PETA writeup about the working life of turkey inseminators. http://www.goveg.com/f-artificialturkeys.asp . Chickens can mate but are they allowed to? At my place, yes, at the hatchery, ?

Most dairy cows are also not allowed to mate, but rather are artificially inseminated from purchased genetics, since it is difficult to keep a bull. A large portion of the dairy cows in the US come from the same fathers, decreasing genetic diversity and security in the food supply. The book ‘Portrait of the burger as a young calf’ goes into alot of detail on this practice in the dairy industry. This is one of the reasons I preferentially buy from farms like Misty Brook, who keep their own boar for breeding the pigs and a bull for their dairy herd.

]]> By: Kristi http://bostonlocalvores.org/archives/1767/comment-page-1#comment-135806 Kristi Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:18:02 +0000 http://bostonlocalvores.org/?p=1767#comment-135806 Err... by similar fate, I mean corn, like poultry, is being cultivated as a monoculture and therefore genetically distorted and therefore reliant on humans to procreate. Of course we know folks are getting smarter out there about corn byproducts! I'm curious -- do you raise chickens? Just wondering where your info is coming from. Always looking for alternative perspectives! Err… by similar fate, I mean corn, like poultry, is being cultivated as a monoculture and therefore genetically distorted and therefore reliant on humans to procreate. Of course we know folks are getting smarter out there about corn byproducts!

I’m curious — do you raise chickens? Just wondering where your info is coming from. Always looking for alternative perspectives!

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